Thread:KittehWizard/@comment-5089372-20121008151824/@comment-4830404-20121009011926

Whoa whoa whoa, please don't say stuff like "Take ownership of the wiki". The wiki is a community project, remember, so it belongs to everyone ;) I probably know what you really meant, but still, that kind of terminology is dangerous :P  The DV wiki had a ton of really bad drama because some people in power forgot that they don't own the wiki.  I used to visit there a lot but after all that nonsense started, I basically hid away and never went back there again.  It's part of the reason I started helping Tatz with this wiki, it felt like a nicer and safer environment.  The DV wiki is a lot better now (has a bunch of new great staff), but I've been avoiding the place for too long - old habits die hard.

I'm a bit afraid to ask Tatz for crat because of all that silly stuff that happened on the DV wiki. It's not like the people who caused the problem were evil; they were genuinely trying to help in their own way. But their way of thinking ended up not being very good for the spirit of community that should be fostered by a wiki.

That brings me back to why I've been reluctant to ask for crat. What if I think I'm being fair but I'm not? What if I think I'm helping but it's damaging the wiki? It's really easy to bring an admin into line, but bureaucrats are really hard to control, even if they are obviously misbehaving. You can only remove bureaucrat status by a) community vote or b) the bureaucrat voluntarily stepping down. And a) is a lot harder than it seems, because any vote in a public community tends to come down to a popularity contest... You can be popular without being right.  So...  Yeah, messy.

Now, I don't think I'm crazy or power hungry, but that's really for other people to judge. Do you think we need to talk to Tatz about this? And while we're talking about admins, have you spoken to Youngster lately? I haven't been able to keep in contact much.