The Greensight Dragon has the same breeding rule as the Chess Dragon, by breeding two dragons that collectively contribute Royal and White to the type pool (including splitting from
Minor type parent dragons).... But it can also be bred, not collectively, with a green type parent and a white type parent. And from what I can tell so far, those can not come from the splitting of Minor type parent dragons.
Also, before I forget, a me update: new job, I've been running around like mad and it's hard to be around much. I feel guilty because I haven't updated the tools here to read data in a satisfactory manner but I just have too many projects to work on right now. The dropdown list is also not very mobile friendly now that there are a billion dragons but I don't have time to dance around wikia technology and figure out what warped things it does to code atm, and then how to work around it.
Looks like there might be some neat offsite stuff, I was just reading comments on the Battle Arena page and this link looks really neat, I just took a look. Seems like an elegant solution to the scrolling issue, you would only need to add your dragons once if you made an account. It is also prettier if you keep your dragon levels up to date, since it isn't a lazy giant table output of everything (though I personally would still use the table because I like to know all of my options and decide whether I need to focus on breeding certain dragons for Arena stuff). Anyway, that offsite link has the advantage of being able to pull from a database, which is just not set up on these basic embedded wiki tools. The wiki stuff has no auto lookup for dragons because there's no database hooked up to it, hence mega scrolly selection list. Though it's mainly a problem on mobile, since on a computer you can just type the name and it'll scroll there.
No reason to feel guilty. Everyone gets busy and we are getting by just fine here with how the tools are. :)
Congrats on the new job, that's great! I hope everything else is going good too. :) I'm getting pretty busy myself. I'm working more and I'm about to start my classes. Yep, that's right, I'm finally getting to go to school. It's going to be a lot of work but I think I'm up to it. :)
I got your message on my wall.... I understand and just ask if you could stick around until the MediaWiki thing is cleared up so I can keep the Calcs updated. I see they finally unlocked some MediaWiki pages (Community-corner) so hopefully it will not take too long. I will even message a Wikia Staff member to ask if they have any ideas about time.
I doubt someone will step up to help with the code but that's ok. As long as no big changes are made in the game it shouldn't be a problem (if they do make some I'll figure it out). They (TL staff) have already fixed the issue with Infinity.
Thanks for sticking around as long as you have even though you don't really play the game anymore. :)
I can keep those offsite ones updated until MediaWiki is editable again, sure! I just realize the way we have it now is not ideal. Having to wait for me when I'm not around for a few hours after the updates is not the best. For an offsite tool, the nicest way would be to have a dedicated database that multiple people (like you) would have access to modifying, so that it all didn't depend on one person. But I had neither the funds nor the time to purchase database space and set up an offsite tool. And our preference is much more to embed the tools on-site anyway, which is why we thought using MediaWiki was fine... until now. :/
I'm just really frustrated with everything. There are ways I want to improve the tools on-site, but they involve the Wikia dance. I see people making nice offsite tools, but I wonder if they would be willing to help translate those to embed on-site, or if they will run into the same struggles as we did.
I'm so tired. And I hate to be dropping this on you now after all that's been happening, but I wanted to give you some advance warning so that you know what's going through my mind.
I was able to get a Wikia Staff member to unlock the MediaWiki pages for me. I will update them now with the stuff that has been released since it was locked. You shouldn't need to update the off site calcs anymore and I will remove the links to them once the calcs here are updated.
Just a reminder if you want Huckbellery's name to show up as yellow, if you have access to http://dragon-story.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/userRightsIcons.js then you can add that name there with whatever tags (and remove mine if you want since I'm a freeloader). [EDIT]: Wait I'm wrong, I just actually read the code. The user rights icons are for those boxes with words in them like "lazy workaholic" that shows up on the profile. Oops. :P Um, I'm pretty sure I made your name yellow before, I'll go look for the right place. [EDIT2]: Found it! It's a css file: http://dragon-story.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css. I'm allowed to edit it so I'll do that for Huckbellery now. It's done, but cache clear is required to see it!
If there is a huge change and you really need help my notifications should still be turned on. But I'm probably going to delete the DS app as I don't think I'll be playing anymore, so I won't see wall messages. If you want, I can PM you my e-mail address unless you have it already, that would be a surefire way to contact me even if the wiki notifications glitched.
Ok, I'm running for the deepest darkest cave I can find to hide forever. lol Did you see the info for the app update? TL staff said this will be happening near the end of this month.
The single description dragon table template shouldn't be hard to add a new image to but I'm worried and not sure how to handle the older pages that have different descriptions. If you have any ideas I'm all ears... I thought about something like the current table but the descriptions change when the image does but I thought that we couldn't do that before for some reason.... my memory escapes me right now.
The only other thing is I'm not sure how to expand the individual dragon page food costs and earning rates tables and still make them look good. I guess I will fool around with it on a test page to see what looks best. If you have any ideas though, again I'm all ears.
Sorry to bug you with this and I'm not expecting you to stop what your doing and help, just looking for some ideas... This will probably mess with the Battle calc too. >_<
Theoretically the battle calculator should be ok, we can just raise the maximum level in the data and it should work out I think. But I'd look at ex's data in case they changed the code for it as well. I'm really worried about the breeding calculator. It should be easy enough to add a level clause for the breeding outcomes section, but the possible parents section is messy enough as it is and I guess I'll have to figure out what I want to do about that with the level 15 dragon requirement. Also another thing for people to be confused about if they don't pay attention to the dropdowns for the breeding part... Is there any more specific info on the forums or something about how that level requirement will work? ... I have a feeling this update is something I'd have to work on in advance if I wanted to deliver it in a timely way...
For the older page formats I'm kind of worried about them. :/ I guess we could put the final form centered on the bottom and it wouldn't look too horrible, but that's just so scrollworthy and the pages are already very scrolly.
For the food / earning tables, they would get pretty long for level 15 I guess, and some people have smaller screen resolutions... For the earning tables, maybe we could put a second row on the bottom so that it's 1-9 on top and 10-15 on the bottom or something (so that the dragon forms don't get split up).
Maybe we could make food go semi-vertically as well, so four columns total. The labels for the levels 1-8 going downwards, then to the right of that the food for 1-8, then to the right 9-15 going downwards, then to the right the food for that. I know we hate the vertical scrolling and it won't be what we're used to... the only alternative is making it extend horizontally long like it's doing now, but wikia doesn't have a very nice handling for when the thing is too long for the screen.
Oh, one more thing I've been thinking about. For the dragon forms / descriptions templates, I was thinking about how the DV wiki does it. They have all the different dragon pages pulling data from one single page, and you basically just send the matching dragon name keyword from each individual dragon page. (They just use PAGENAME, except for dragons with spaces in their names where they enter the key word manually. So think of the key words as what we do for the breeding calculator, with removal of spaces and funny characters. But it looks like funny characters will work with the thing they are doing, just not spaces.)
Anyway. All the info is lumped onto the one page all together, so it's all in the same spot when you want to edit it. Which makes it scary because it's so big and scrolly to edit, but at the same time you could update them all on the same page if there is a huge update like this. Is that something we would want to move towards for the dragon image / description bits, you think? (Since those are the sections that seem to be changing the most...)
I think it'll be huge work upfront but it will save work later... If they're all on the same page and need a specific formatting change, I'm pretty sure I could use a regular expression to replace everything all in one go. Rather than taking days to edit hundreds of dragon pages. >_<
No new info on the forum just that it will happen at the end of the month and it does say this update stuff will be iOS only right now. So, all we have to go on is the app info that says you can't breed the new Prime dragons except with lvl 15 dragons.
For the breeding calc we could just add a special note for the Prime dragons with a # or something that says "Can only be bred with lvl 15 dragons" or "check individual dragon page for more info". Like we have in the past for dragons that could be bred on iOS but not Android.
For the food/earning tables I was playing around on my test blog. I think the food one works out but I'm not sure about the earnings one (looks squished). Maybe a second row on the bottom like you suggested would work best.
The older pages scare me the most but I guess there is some time to mess with it to see what looks best.
Wow... what a page they have on DV. I'm not sure if that is something to add here. Honestly, in a few months my scheduled is going to get very busy and I'm not even sure if I'll be around to update the wiki on time every update. I'm hoping people who use the wiki will step up and start helping out and a page like that may scare them off before they even begin. Your right though that it would make editing tons of pages easier. Maybe it's something to move toward...
In that case, I think your initial thought is right. That DV page may not be something we want here, not unless we have other active members interested in maintaining it. You've been kind of flying alone for a while so it doesn't seem that hopeful that someone will just pop up. :P If we leave it the way it is, I noticed some people were willing to step in since the templates were relatively easy to use. It's just that when big changes happen, it's really painful for one person to edit all the pages. :/ Luckily we are good about the categories so it isn't too hard to find pages, even though it's annoying.
I really like your idea for the breeding calc, let's go with that. I think I should add a special rules message to the possible parents section too, up at the top maybe? I don't know why I forgot to add that ages ago. Definitely something top on the to-do list. Your idea is much better, it solves the problem of people having to interact with another dropdown menu. What symbol do you want to use? Maybe ^ or + or (Lv.)?
Looks like you've been playing around with more options for the food one. I think I like the top one, which stretches levels 11 - 15. One other possibility is maybe shifting them such that we get levels 1 - 8 up top and 9 - 15 at the bottom, and resize the columns so that there's more space horizontally. Maybe the 15th level (MAX LEVEL) can span two columns at the bottom to make up for that missing empty space.
I agree about the earnings table. I think extra rows would be best. We'd have to do 1-9 up top for those though, so that the dragon icons don't get weirdly split.
Yes, I agree, I'm not sure someone new will just pop up and help but I can hope. :P
Adding a note to the possible parents section is something that should be done and the top works fine. I have no opinion on what symbol should be used, so whatever you want works for me. :)
I made the changes to the test templates that you suggested. The Food requirements looks good IMO but I'm not 100% sold on the changes I made to the earning rates one. What do you think? Make any changes you think will look better or let me know your thoughts on it. The icons make it a strange one to change.
My brain is out of power for now so I'm not messing with it anymore tonight. I had company for dinner, (my brother and his family from out of state) it ran later than I thought it would and now I have an unexpected house guest for the night. lol So, I guess now that it's after midnight and things are finally settling down (I hope) I'm going to bed. :)
Ok, I agree with both counts. I like the food requirements table, and I don't like the current earning rates one.
So I've been trying the other version that I'm thinking about, but I'm not well-versed with table styling and I'm confused about how to continue what I'm trying to do. I made some changes to the template with the second version (they're side by side so we can compare later). I have one side going, but I want the other side and I don't get how to do it yet. I want basically what you see there but to the right also... So it goes like this:
Images for levels 1-9 | Level labels for levels 1-9 | Earning rates for levels 1-9 | Images for levels 10-15 | Level labels for levels 10-15 | Earning rates for levels 10-15
A horizontal resize might be necessary also, to make the images' white space not so stretchy.
Anyway, I'm not 100% sure it'll work out since level 10 image will go all the way up to 14, and level 15 will only have one row... but it's necessary to see it to believe it (or not).
I'll try to look it up but you seem better at tables than me so if you see a way to do what I'm describing, go for it. :)
I had an interesting night and got up too early and now I'm afraid I have signed up for some more long nights this week. lol My brothers family doesn't get to visit often so it's worth it while they are here. :)
I worked on the table and I think it's what you wanted although the sizes may need played with.
Some one made a comment that they don't think TL will add lvl 15 for all dragons. I honestly don't know what they will do but at least we will be ready for whatever by getting things done early.
Oh, thanks for fixing it! Hm, yeah, I'm thinking that format looks messier than I'd hoped, even if we resize it. That darn lv10-14 stretch is making things rough for us, because we're forced to put those dragon images together. There's one more that we haven't tried, and that's just going all straight down... but that would force extra scrolling and I know we haven't been a fan of that.
What do you think?
Oh no, more long nights. :( But I'm glad you're getting good family time!
If it looks good the extra scrolling shouldn't be too much trouble.... at least on the new dragon pages. The old pages are already going to be very long but I guess if that is what we must do we will do it.
I played around with it so take a look, it may need some resizing.
So I spent the longest time wondering why my resizing to the template did not work, then I realized that refreshing / clearing the cache didn't work and the only thing to make it change on the blog was publishing a new edit, even without making any changes... I hope this is just a blog issue and not a problem with templates all over. If it is, we are doomed. :(
Anyway, I added the changed template to my Prototyping blog as well.
I think the vertical Earning Rates look nice and clean by themselves, but I feel like the horizontal formats play nicer with the other tables. Unless we wanted to make both the Earning Rates and the Food rates vertical, and place them side by side (thus taking up more horizontal space, with a vertical format). If we want to keep the current food rates format, I think that having a horizontal table for the earning rates will look nicer all together... I added a block that says "LEVEL CAP" to fill the empty space at the bottom in the third version, any thoughts?
For the old pages, I forget why we had the old format - there should be a way to switch text as well? unless it lagged behind or something weird? - but I do remember some of the old dragons like Fire had a Market / Owned tab that was weird with the text. I feel like maybe we should do away with those Market / Owned descriptions and just pick the Market one or something, if there is a way to convert the old dragon pages to switch the text at the same time.
Ok, looks like this is going to happen today (not sure if u can still look at the data on your phone but it has more info in that place than it used to).
I got the info for the new Prime dragons, they are normal types just have Prime in their name. Adding them to the calc will be easy since the only difference with them will be the lvl 15 parent requirement.
I got the new food amounts and all they did was add to the normal ones. People will need lots and lots of food to level up. >_< So again, should be an easy add to the templates.
I've still been unable to find lvl 15 images for any of the dragons except the main single types. Not sure what they are doing for the rest. I guess I'll deal with that when I get there. ;) I didn't see any new descriptions for the new lvl either. Maybe they don't plan on adding a new description for the old dragons...
For the earning rates we will need to count on other people to help add those. For the Dragon Earning Rates page I think I will make a tabber, one tab for 1-10 (what it has now) and a second tab for lvl 11-15.
Anyway, just wanted to let u know what was going on since I haven't heard from you in a little while. Hope your doing well. :)
[Edit]: I already added the new special note to the calc data page. :)
[Edit2]: Well so far it looks like the dragons don't receive another form just level to 15 with no change. Some of the food costs are looking strange though. They may have added different costs for different dragons for level 11-15 even when they had the same 1-10.
Hi again.... u ok? I haven't heard from you in a bit but I know your still playing DS so I hope everything is ok.
Well, everything has went ok with the update. The only problem I've had is the Battle Calc. Looking at the last data drop the arena seems to have had no changes. The problem came when I tried to add lvl 11-15 to the table. Adding it made the table go off the page. I undid it but now I'm not sure how to proceeded. Any ideas?
If you don't like the current level ranges, you can change these and that should automatically cause the button names to change and the tables to readjust. For the low level ones it looks kinda empty since there are less rows, if you want to make it 1 - 9 or something while keeping the high level table 7 - 15, it really won't mess up anything. As long as the levels are consecutive.
These two variables: CHALLENGER_MIN_LEVEL and CHALLENGER_MAX_LEVEL will be obsolete as soon as people's caches clear. I haven't deleted them yet, since some people may get confused if the tool suddenly stops working and they don't realize they need to clear their cache. We're in the middle of a mini tourney so it wouldn't be the best time. Maybe after the tourney ends would be safe to delete these no-longer-needed variables.
The level ranges are fine IMO so I'll leave them as is and see what (if anything) other users say about it.
I'll remove the variables Monday.
Thanks for helping with this and I'm glad to know the lack of response was due to not getting emails. I know you have a lot going on right now but after a while with no reply I started to wonder/worry a bit. :)
My main complaint at first was that lv10 is in the middle of the high level range and I got confused and was staring at the percents for level 15s, when I have no level 15 dragons... I'm wondering if it would be helpful to make the lower level range 1-10 while the higher range stays 7-15.
I got rid of the extraneous variables in the data so don't worry about it. :)
I think if your going to change it that is the best way especially because Android players don't have the ability to lvl dragons past 10 and some iOS can't do it either (due to high food costs). Having 1-10 in the same section would be a good idea so these players can use just the one section.
That's a great point, I totally forgot about non-iOS. Also, I still have nothing past level 10. :P All right, I changed it! Also, I moved the lv1-10 button to the left to be first, instead of second. I think that's more intuitive.
Ok, so I checked it out, and it looks like the toggler code was using a variable name that wikia decided to change, so that's causing an error. I'll take a look at the toggler code in Common.js and try to fix it. Once it's fixed, people will have to do cache clears to see it (and it might take some time also, I'm not sure). Anyway, I'll tell you if I fix it. :)
[EDIT]: Okay, it's more complicated than that. The variable exists and isn't a wikia variable. :/ From the comments, some suspect a "race condition", which means that some code is going off before some other code and that is breaking things. Race conditions are awful and evil. I hope there's a way to fix this, I'll poke around some more.
The toggler code is really messy. :( I think we may have to move back to Tabber, which we specifically moved away from in the first place (SIGH) but some people are saying there are some workarounds to make it less ugly and not load weird. What do you think?
Can I cry.... not sure about a tabber. I wish I knew how the switches on DV are still working. Just checked my switches on the Evolution page and all the World Event building pages and there not working either.... I just made the switch for the Event building pages too. Wikia staff is driving me crazy with all these updates.
I guess we must do what we must... I feel kinda bad bugging you about this since you haven't been around in a while. I guess I'm helpless with some things, lol. Sorry and Thanks for the Help.
LOL... yes considering there are about 500 dragons changing each page would be a mission.
Here is one of the dragon pages showing that it's working, this should be the one used for the DragonBox. Not sure if the link will help you though. I really haven't had time to look around at anything yet...
Sorry for bailing on you. I've been sick with a fever today and the update here and on FFS was about as much as I could handle. I did mess around a little on FFS (since my switch there isn't working either) but gave up because I just couldn't follow anything.
I'll look again tomorrow.. maybe I'll feel better. Thanks again for taking the time. :)
Actually, I looked closer and they ARE using toggle. I noticed they just fixed a small bit of the code in the toggle thing. Apparently the issue with the variable was that the type was changed or wrong, and it wasn't being recognized as a string, which was necessary to prevent an error in the code. Or something. Anyway, I did what they did to our Common.js file and it looks like it's working now?
Sorry to hear you're sick, I hope you feel better. :(
Yes it's working, your awesome! I was able to do the same thing on FFS and got it working there also. I really do appreciate the help. I'm still feeling awful so I was not looking forward to trying to look at this today.
Wikia and their technical updates. They have not learned that if it's not broke don't fix it.