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  • I have a Diamond dragon, But I can't breed it with other dragons. I only get the same dragons. If I want a crusader dragon, what do I do?

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    • keep trying... don't forget, it's still ultra rare

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    • It takes many tries for Crusader... I think I did Fire/Diamond 90 something times before I got it. How many times have you tried?

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    • dont forget that a probability never goes up for number of times breeding.. the percentage is the same whether your first attempt or your 90th like our friend knj00

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    • I stopped counting at around 60 tries, but it was probably 80-100.... way too many!

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    • 71.225.209.39 wrote: dont forget that a probability never goes up for number of times breeding.. the percentage is the same whether your first attempt or your 90th like our friend knj00

      You're right, the percentage stays the same. However, the overall probability of having the dragon from any of your breeding attempts, does increase with every breeding attempt. For instance, someone who breeds their dragons 100 times is much more likely to have one than someone who only breeds 10 times.

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    • Im on try 300+ Spend about an hour a day, over, and over, and over, and over...

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    • KittehMaster wrote:

      You're right, the percentage stays the same. However, the overall probability of having the dragon from any of your breeding attempts, does increase with every breeding attempt. For instance, someone who breeds their dragons 100 times is much more likely to have one than someone who only breeds 10 times.

      You're sure on that? I recall something differently back from when I was in school. 

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    • 20+ times for each crusader/quetzal and 9 times for angel dragon

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    • Hyper ch wrote:

      KittehMaster wrote:

      You're right, the percentage stays the same. However, the overall probability of having the dragon from any of your breeding attempts, does increase with every breeding attempt. For instance, someone who breeds their dragons 100 times is much more likely to have one than someone who only breeds 10 times.

      You're sure on that? I recall something differently back from when I was in school. 

      Yes, quite sure. I think I'm probably not being clear enough. Allow me to clarify:

      Say you are flipping a coin and are trying to get heads. If you flip it once, there are two possibilities with equal likelihood: heads, or tails. This means that the probability of getting heads is 50%. However, if you flip it twice, there are four possibilities with equal likelihood: heads-heads, heads-tails, tails-heads, and tails-tails. This gives an overall probability of 75% for getting heads when combining both tosses.

      The same principle applies for things without 50-50 chances (such as breeding dragons in Dragon Story or getting a Black Lens to drop in Terraria >_<), although I am sorry to say I do not know the exact math.

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    • No, on each through you have a 50% probability to get heads. The first throw does not affect the outcome of the second one. They are independant events.

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    • No, you misunderstand me. I'm talking about the probability of getting heads overall. Meaning you don't care which throw it comes from, you just want heads. In which case, if you throw it once, yes, there is a 50% percent chance of not getting heads. But if you throw it twice, there is only a 25% chance of not getting heads at all. Obviously there is still the 50% chance for each throw, but when you combine both throws, there is only one case out of four where you get no heads whatsoever.

      Does this make more sense?

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    • I know what you mean but that's not supported in probability. If you toss a coin twice, then the  probablity of getting head is 0.5. When tossing it again, the probability of getting head is 0.5 again.

      So the overall probablity is (0.5 + 0.5) / 2 (tests) = 0.5

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    • What do you mean it's "not supported"? Could you please point out any flaws in my logic?

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    • ....keep on trying wikia contributor :)

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    • Probability of getting a Head in two throws is 0.5.

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    • Oops yes, suppose I got a bit off topic there. :P

      Yeah, keep trying! You'll get it eventually! :)

      Edit @Hyper: So you're saying that even though you get at least one heads in 3/4 cases, the probability is still only 50%? MAKES PERFECT SENSE XD

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    • Woah my random comment actually helped...HAHAHAHA

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    • You have learned well, young Padawan. XD

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    • Lol :P

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    • Btw Hyper, if the probability of having the dragon no matter how many times you tried always remains the same, that means that trying more than once to breed the dragon is completely useless. :P

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    • Or more simply patience hope and especially LUCK

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    • Right, I'm just trying to explain something to Hyper, I don't think she understands correctly? :/

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    • you're right :)

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    • Yay you understood! :D

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    • nah, I just noticed the universe's opinion differs from mine... so I have to adjust the universe ;)

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    • lol :P

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    • another 20h fail just breeding now :( this universe must hate me :) really time to change its rules.

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    • Aw sorry about that :(

      Well, keep trying! :)

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    • Keep on trying

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    • yey :)

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      Took me a month and 48 tries :)

      Fuzzy and Athletic did it finally.

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    • Congrats Hyper!!

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    • YAAAY congratulations!!! :D

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    • 88h to go :)

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    • almost forgot: gotta tear down a white habitat and put a diamond there :)

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    • Both crusader and quetzal are worth trying.. I got both in under 15 minutes each.. A fail for crusader comes even before you select next two dragons for breeding :-D LOL..

      and even for quetzal.. waiting time is just 15 seconds out of which 10 second go in choosing next dragons.. :-D

      Just keep trying till u get that 32 hrs or 44 hrs breeding time.. You will definitely get within an hour of attempts... (dont take that "definitely" word too seriously :-P )

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    • Hyper...did you really change the rules of the universe to get it and 🎈🎉🎉🎉🎉CONGRATSSS🎉🎉🎉🎉🎈👍

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    • XxxMisakixxX wrote:
      Hyper...did you really change the rules of the universe 

      One has to do, what one has to do :)

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    • Hehe... Rofl :P

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    • LOL :P

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    • Khanivour
      Khanivour removed this reply because:
      I wrote this reply... before I joined... so would like to remove it, and re-post it under my username
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    • Hyper ch wrote:
      I know what you mean but that's not supported in probability. If you toss a coin twice, then the  probablity of getting head is 0.5. When tossing it again, the probability of getting head is 0.5 again.

      So the overall probablity is (0.5 + 0.5) / 2 (tests) = 0.5

      actually, the overall probability, if the chance of a head in single toss is 50% goes like this:

      at least 1 head in 2 tosses: 0.5 + (0.5 * 0.5) = 0.75 = 75%

      given 2 coin tosses you can either have:

      Head + Head (25%)

      Head + Tail (25%)

      Tail + Head (25%)

      Tail + Tail (25%)

      Total 100%, but chance of at least 1 head is 75%, chance of no heads is 25% and chance of double heads is 25%

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    • Thank you for your insight. Could you please explain where you got your equation? Thanks! :)

      (Also, welcome to the wiki! :D)

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    • Grats Hyper!.  I just got a diamond myself a week or so ago breeding Island and Love.  (same color combination as your athletic/fuzzy).


      I was a little less lucky than most getting crusader.  Looking at the results in your database, It took me 226 attemps breeding diamond and fire to get crusader.  I found it was easier (and faster) to breed them when I had both of them at level 10, so I had to do minimal scrolling to find each one.


      I do wonder though.  If you breed two colors with diamond you won't get a single color choice.  So, if you breed an athletic with a diamond, the only possible results will be athletic, magic (both rare), or a the ultra rare diamond hybrids (crusader and mercury).  Without having to contend with breeding a common dragon, I wonder how much odds are improved at getting a diamond hybrid.

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    • DCDC wrote:

      I do wonder though.  If you breed two colors with diamond you won't get a single color choice.  So, if you breed an athletic with a diamond, the only possible results will be athletic, magic (both rare), or a the ultra rare diamond hybrids (crusader and mercury).  Without having to contend with breedind a common dragon, I wonder how much odds are improved at getting a diamond hybrid.

      This has changed with the arrival of the Pink Diamond Hybrid. It's not clear if it's only changed on iOS or also Android. See discussion here: http://dragon-story.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:33291

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    • Welcome to the wiki khanivour!! Congrats on your first edit you have a LOONG way to go now (I sometimes like to post off topic things when I'm bored ;) )

      [Edit]:you too DCDC

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    • Hyper ch wrote:
      DCDC wrote:

      I do wonder though.  If you breed two colors with diamond you won't get a single color choice.  So, if you breed an athletic with a diamond, the only possible results will be athletic, magic (both rare), or a the ultra rare diamond hybrids (crusader and mercury).  Without having to contend with breedind a common dragon, I wonder how much odds are improved at getting a diamond hybrid.

      This has changed with the arrival of the Pink Diamond Hybrid. It's not clear if it's only changed on iOS or also Android. See discussion here: http://dragon-story.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:33291

      Wow Hyper ch, that kind of blows my mind.  I wonder if the inability to breed diamond hybrids is restricted to breeding with pink (cause pink has it's own weird rules), or if it's universal with all other colors.  In any case, I'm using the android client, so I don't even have access to the pink (or gemstone) dragons yet.  I also wonder if those rules vary between iOS and android.  Too many variables to consider!


      And KittehMaster, I thinkKhanivour's formula is derived from something close to this generic statistical formula:

      (P)^n+(P)^(n+1)+(P)^(n+2)+... = p%

      where P is your probability of getting heads in a coin flip, n is the number of coins you are going to toss (or breeding attempts, etc.), and p% is your final probaility percentage.  It's been years since I've taken statistics, I have no doubt a detail or two about that generic formula is wrong.

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    • Ah, thank you very much DCDC. That's very helpful.

      And welcome to the wiki too! :)

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    • Both KittehMaster and Hyper ch are correct, they are both just saying different things.

      KittehMaster is saying the more times you try, the likely hood of not getting one becomes smaller. 

      Hyper ch is saying that the probability of head individual trial remains the same.

      A good way to demonstrate this would be to say I was flipping a coin 5 time. In the first 4 flips the coin came up Heads. Most people in this situation would say that Tails was "due" because in the long run the result should be 50% Heads and 50% Tails (assuming infinite trials). However, in each individual flip of the coin, the probability of Heads is always 50%. This is because the events are independent and hence are not affected by the previous trials.

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    • dont know...only on lvl 9 [almost to ten though! only10 more xp points!]

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    • I believe that "final probability percentage" is an imaginary thing created by human nature and our inability to accept boundaries.

      As explanation I offer a quote I once heard (may not be perfect)

      "Hope is the confusion of ones desire for a thing with its likelyhood"

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    • Aright heres a better explanation, sorry to double post (also yay first post as a real user):

      Probability doesnt change. No offense to anyone involved but i believe final probability notions are complete illusions created by the human condition and general inability to accept boundaries. That said, I can with sheer logical force explain why in this particular case my statement is true.

      It is 100% possible that someone could play and never get a particular dragon no matter how many times they try. That said, there is no single time anyone can say with 100% certainty that when they click "Breed" it will make the desired dragon. Those two simple facts lead to this point: There is no magic number of times breeding to look forward to, and no way to tell for certain when it will happen. I will leave you with a probability/statistical solution as well as a favorite quote of mine:

      E=mc(be-patient)

      Hope is the confusion of the desire for a thing with its probability. For it is natural for man to believe true what he desires to be true, and to believe it because he desires it.
      Arthur Schopenhauer

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    • @Bobgoggles:

      I'm afraid that what you're saying and what Hyper and I were saying are not mutually exclusive. Nobody ever said that the probability of having the desired dragon after X tries would be 100%. We just said it would approach 100%.

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    • I find this argument amusing because people insist on comparing apples, oranges, and bananas.

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    • O_o off topic....

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    • I got the crusader after 3 tries......

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    • Btw, here's a good page for the probability:

      http://vegasclick.com/gambling/fallacy.html

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    • Congrats on being so lucky FUNNYRANDOMNESS5112

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    • Lol Thanks... I just was doing a Click A Thon and after 3 tries Pop 44hrs.. XD

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    • Lol Even more lucky lazy luck :P

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    • And here's the Wikipedia link to Gambler's Fallacy :)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

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    • I never expected so many people to reply, thank you! I'll try :)

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    • try charm and serpent for diamond, a guy did a video on it and it worked

      for ather rare dragons try charm and island, its really good after a couple tries!!!!!!!!!!

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      • for other rare* oops
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    • Idol & Virtue got me my Diamond, working on Crusader now! 30ish tries so far 😫 🐲 😂

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    • This is so amazing, it took me eight tries using Galaxy and Metal to get my very first Diamond. About 4 - 5 days roughly, then as soon as it was evolved enough to breed I worked for an hour and a half straight to get my Quezetal...Crusader here I come!!! Lol 😉😜😍😄👍

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    • Hmmm. What do you mean "worked for an hour and a half straight"? Are you burning through gold to speed up fails? With the amount of gold it would take to speed through the fail process, I'm thinking it would cost less gold to just buy it. Is there some secret way to work the breeding process to minutes vs days? I'm so confused...

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    • 808Princess, you don't need to use gold to speed up a 20 sec failed breed time. That's what it is if you breed Diamond/Forest together. So when I said I worked for an hour and a half I literally (WORKED) bred my dragons for that period of time repeatedly until I got my Quezetal. Does that help your confusion?

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    • Oh wow!!!! I didn't realize there are only 2 possible outcomes when you breed a diamond and a forest!!! 😳😱🙀 I am Sssooo gonna breed one right now! Any other tips like that or is that the only combination with such great results? I only just got my first dragon about a week ago so I'll take as many freebies like that as I can get 😊

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    • Btw, I was so excited, I forgot to say thanks!! Got it in like 10 or so tries! 😊 I think Team Lava is finally giving me my due after waiting over 2 years!!! I just got a comets tail today too! I am so happy ATM ☺️

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    • Wow, I must be lucky, only bred Fire/Diamond 15 times and got Crusader. Now onto the other diamond combos....

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